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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2010 12:40 
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Do you work for a survey company??


Nah, MCN lOl

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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2010 19:42 
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fozberry wrote:
That's all good advice. These people know what they're talking about.

......how do we justify the risk. This is a very difficult and philosophical question to answer to be honest. Riding a motorcycle is completely different to driving a car. Part of it for me is a pleasure thing - when was the last time you just went out for a drive in your car? I can't remember when I last did it, but I went out on my bike yesterday, with no destination in mind and pure enjoyment the goal. The inherent impracticality of bikes means you spend less time using them, and more time enjoying them, whereas driving the car is fundamentally associated with going to the supermarket, picking up the kids, etc. Cars are mundane.

One of the nicest explanations I know comes from Robert Persig's 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance':

Robert Persig wrote:
"You see things vacationing on a motorcycle in a way that is completely different from any other. In a car you’re always in a compartment, and because you’re used to it you don’t realize that through that car window everything you see is just more TV. You’re a passive observer and it is all moving by you boringly in a frame.

"On a cycle the frame is gone. You’re completely in contact with it all. You’re in the scene, not just watching it anymore, and the sense of presence is overwhelming. That concrete whizzing by five inches below your foot is the real thing, the same stuff you walk on, it’s right there, so blurred you can’t focus on it, yet you can put your foot down and touch it anytime, and the whole thing, the whole experience, is never removed from immediate consciousness."

In short, and I'm pretty sure I speak for 99% of the motorcycling community here, we ride bikes because we're in love with them. The risk is not only justifiable, it's necessary, in the same way as the risk involved in crossing the road is justifiable and necessary, and it changes our lives from being ordinary, prosaic existences to being exciting and wonderful. Without our bikes we would be incomplete.

Hope that helps,

Fozberry


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Yeah all that ........ and so much more :dance:


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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2010 20:36 
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In reply to your question on risk (i wouldn't be as arrogant as to say it was an answer), mainly coz i'm an adrenaline sports junky and live litteraly to do things that regularly endanger my life, ironically I feel most alive when staring death in the face.
However its not all recless bravado. Its all calculated risk, learning to do things that are dangerous in as safe a manner as possible. I have injurred myself badly many times and have to live with consequenses, life long pain (spinal injuries from climing accident). I still do as many dangerous sports including climbing as often as poss, and when asked would you do it differently if you could do it again I say absolutely chuffing not.
We evolved to take risks, the two main Darwinian driving forces of evolution, (natural and sexual selection) have always selected for risk takers, as a result its hard wired into our DNA, its natural and enjoyable as a cosequence. As an example if sex wasn't enjoyable we would be extinct.
All that said the only way you get good at risk taking and stay alive is by steady, calculated progressive practise. In motorcycling terms, to add to Mojomicks excelent earlier advice, just take your time and build up speed with plenty of slow steady miles of experience. You don't get many, if any, second chances on a bike. So who cares if you ride like wuss for your early miles, the experience gained of dodgy / dangerous road senarios will teach you how to ride fast but safely when you feel comfortable and experienced enough to do so.
IMHO the very fact that you've asked such questions without just gun hoing it into the distance shows that you potentially have the temperament to become a very good and safe biker :yup:
Good luck and I hope to see you gunning an S1 thru some twisties one day.
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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2010 21:38 
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Wow! Thanks for all the great replies. So, to summarise:

Chicks dig the S1
1k to take care of niggles, 1k per year in operating costs (minus fuel)
Deep pockets and/or mechanical ability: necessary, or risk having soiled cornflakes
About roughly 1k on protective equipment (to get started)
Layers, spine protectors
A couple of new new tools and a BFH (big f****** hammer)
Riding (and crossing the street ;) ) enriches quality of life

Seriously, good information. Thanks! I've been reading the forum for a while now and there seems to be quite a wealth of information (and the odd daft reply!).

To respond:
No. I like girls.
I don't work for a survey or MCN, I'm not sure I follow that one though.
I try to go 'out for a drive' now and then. Fortunately, I've been lucky enough to have enjoyable cars. I do the same thing on bicycles though, so it would be a natural progression, eh?
While mountain biking (downhill variety), I've certainly felt the rush of being alive on the brink of a potential nasty crash. There's a bit more than pain at the wrong end of motorcycle mistake though.
The research will continue to see if a Buell fits in my future!
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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2010 15:31 
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please, please tell me you are 17/18 years old ( or watter ever age you can get on a 125 or bigger these days) and you just want a bit of fatherly advise.

if not -wot the fuck!!!!!!!!!!!

wot i would suggest to you is -
do your risk assessment before setting foot out the house.

get your self a hi viz and a HUGE roll of cotton wool to wrap your self up in.

buy a yamaha divi or tdm.

get a white sherbet (or what ever the germans call them) helmet cuz all the old fukers where them and rekon they are really comfy and quiet - and people can see me coming.

ride sensibly and at the speed limit with your friends on their truimph trophys.

OR..................

Harden the fuck up, get out there and ride.

find out your 1st bit of kit you have bought is shit ( usually a pair of trainers and some trackie bottoms), buy some more.
find out your helmet mists up, is loud as fuck and your grandad wore it in world war 1, buy another.
find out your 1st bike is shit but you can get you and 3 of your mates on it and still get down the chippie before it shuts.
fall off / get knocked off - hopefully you wont be to badly hurt - but my god it will make you a better rider as you wont want to do it again ( i found drinking a bottle of 20/20 before setting out helped with this task).

DOING ALL THE ABOVE TASKS STILL WILL NOT STOP SOME FUCKING IDIOT WIPING YOU OUT - SO THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

and dont get anything from jts in coalville - utter shit!

oh and welcome aboard! mart

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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2010 16:00 
Hooray! ;)






... and btw Mart, this ol' fucker's Sherbert is black, so I still have to keep an eye open ;) lOl


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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2010 16:51 
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t and doesn't smell if you wear it for a good few sweaty days lOl



Er, Adam, we need to talk....... ;)

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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2010 17:31 
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spen wrote:
Adam wrote:
t and doesn't smell if you wear it for a good few sweaty days lOl



Er, Adam, we need to sniff....... ;)



Fixed that for ya Spen lOl

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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2010 19:24 
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lOl

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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2010 20:02 
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I thought those were reasonable questions. I know one guy who rides, thought I'd ask a couple more. I suppose I could buy crap, realise it's crap, and buy more, but there might be a better way... Fogging, for example, is something I didn't consider before. Already improved my odds of getting something I'm happ with.

In a few years, I'll be moving and unable to take a bike. I need to decide if it's worth spending resources getting a bike the way I want only to leave it and start over. We'll see.
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PostPosted: 28 Sep 2010 20:28 
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Buy what you desire. There is no point in having something you don't really want, just because it was there at the time you wanted to buy a bike. Sit on loads of bikes, test ride as many as you can (not easy, as I have found out).

I am 5'3". I sat on loads of bikes, tried to take into consideration cost, practicality, weight, height, etc. etc. but still kept going back to a Buell....it's what I wanted and have now got... I love it.

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PostPosted: 29 Sep 2010 09:23 
spen wrote:
Adam wrote:
t and doesn't smell if you wear it for a good few sweaty days lOl
Er, Adam, we need to talk....... ;)

All of which reminds me of this ...


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PostPosted: 29 Sep 2010 09:26 
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A filthy habit indeed......

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Digger wrote:
All of which reminds me of this ...


You'll be pleased to know her prayer was answered :P

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PostPosted: 29 Sep 2010 10:47 
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Digger wrote:
All of which reminds me of this ...
You'll be pleased to know her prayer was answered :P
Wonder if she's still sweeping the streets outside your old place :D


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